NYSDEC Now Admits Cooperstown Wolf Was A Wild Wolf

[nywaw]

Saw this posted on the NJ site!  Wow!

https://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2023/03/nysdec-now-admits-cooperstown-wolf-was-a-wild-wolf.html

[Robhuntandfish]

Oh those proposed legislation changes ought to piss off a lot of people....

[boo711]

Read through a few of the comments. Bunch of people will be trying to make changes to the coyote season the protect the wolf.   Can see that coming 

[mowin]

Lots of theory's that it was trapped and bought in, or shot in Canada and said it was shot here to further the stop of coyote hunting. The theory being wolves will be mistaken for yotes and accidentally shot.  

Not saying it's true, but realistically, it wouldn't surprise me. 

[Bucksnbows]

The bipartisan Endangered Species Act of 1973 has real teeth to it. States quickly moved to adopt many of the federal protections for their own state T&E species. If there is a state endangered species, it can significantly impact management decisions for other species such as coyotes in this case. 
 

One issue I see is that NY DEC has a history of not telling the public about wolves or the mountain lion that was killed by a car in CT that DEC knew spent time in the Lake George area prior to that. That’s never a good look. 

[nywaw]

A reminder of a wolf vs a coyote

[lucky118]

Doesn't  matter wolf or coyote, they both get shot. Along with the long tail kitty's. Lol

[DoubleDose]

4 hours ago, Bucksnbows said:

The bipartisan Endangered Species Act of 1973 has real teeth to it. States quickly moved to adopt many of the federal protections for their own state T&E species. If there is a state endangered species, it can significantly impact management decisions for other species such as coyotes in this case. 
 

One issue I see is that NY DEC has a history of not telling the public about wolves or the mountain lion that was killed by a car in CT that DEC knew spent time in the Lake George area prior to that. That’s never a good look. 

________(fill in the blank).  IMO, that is the main issue.  They, the NYS DEC, always deny and refuse until there is irrefutable evidence  proving they knew.

[nywaw]

3 minutes ago, Rusty said:

Not necessarily, the Gray wolves further north are bigger but the further south you come the smaller they are.  In addition, our Eastern coyotes are 25% wolf and vary greatly in size.  Add to that the fact that wolves and coyotes interbreed and produce fertile offspring, so genetically they are the same animal.   You would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a large Eastern coyote and an average size wolf.  

Better/closer example?

[Bucksnbows]

8 minutes ago, nywaw said:

Better/closer example?

Only an experienced hunter seeing the animal clearly and against something known in size is going to pass on that wolf.  As @Rusty said, they can interbreed. It’s like taking your 3rd cousin to the prom - not going to have any offspring with three ears and your kids can procreate just fine as well one day.  I have seen wolves out West and they were always immediately identifiable. But out there, the western coyotes are smaller than ours and the difference is notable. Also, the wolves around Yellowstone and surrounding areas where I’ve seen them eat good. They can get well north of 125 lbs. 

[phade]

1 hour ago, Rusty said:

Not necessarily, the Gray wolves further north are bigger but the further south you come the smaller they are.  In addition, our Eastern coyotes are 25% wolf and vary greatly in size.  Add to that the fact that wolves and coyotes interbreed and produce fertile offspring, so genetically they are the same animal.   You would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a large Eastern coyote and an average size wolf.  

For context that is a wolf/yote in Wisconsin. That’s Craig’s photo compilation. It is not a far north wolf.

[Don_C]

I knew a guy back in the 80's that had a wolf as a PET, a hybrid of some sort I would imagine, but don't know. The size of it, and the way it looked at you was simply terrifying, it was calm and controlled, but very intimidating.  I can't imagine running into a pack of them in the woods. My BIL in Wisconsin has seen them from his stand while deer hunting, it gave him a whole new perspective on your surroundings when walking to and from the stand.

[DirtTime]

19 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

Oh those proposed legislation changes ought to piss off a lot of people....

What "Proposed Legislation"?

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I've seen a few websites (animal rights activists for the most part) stating what they want DEC to do. I've found no proposals by legitimate sources with any proposed changes to any predator hunting. If anyone has an official link by DEC or a bill number to these proposals and could post it please, I would like to have a look at it.

 

DEC released back in September that it was a wolf. A link to one of the original reports from September.

https://www.adirondackexplorer.org/stories/princeton-dna-analysis-finds-new-york-animal-was-a-wolf

 

Morons are going to shoot them if they are here just like I'd bet a few DB's are shooting our moose.

[The_Real_TCIII]

19 hours ago, nywaw said:

A reminder of a wolf vs a coyote

Now that Connecticut hunter will shoot a miniature dachshund and claim he thought it was a wolf

[The_Real_TCIII]

2 hours ago, Don_C said:

I knew a guy back in the 80's that had a wolf as a PET, a hybrid of some sort I would imagine, but don't know. The size of it, and the way it looked at you was simply terrifying, it was calm and controlled, but very intimidating.  I can't imagine running into a pack of them in the woods. My BIL in Wisconsin has seen them from his stand while deer hunting, it gave him a whole new perspective on your surroundings when walking to and from the stand.

Kenny Powers!