Hatchery fish hurting native fish?

[mowin]

@Bucksnbows.  I know you're involved in habit reconstruction, what do you think about this article?  Accurate for our areas? 

https://www.hatchmag.com/articles/more-evidence-releasing-hatchery-reared-native-fish-harmful/7715689

 

[Bucksnbows]

10 hours ago, mowin said:

@Bucksnbows.  I know you're involved in habit reconstruction, what do you think about this article?  Accurate for our areas? 

https://www.hatchmag.com/articles/more-evidence-releasing-hatchery-reared-native-fish-harmful/7715689

 

100% accurate and old news. On top of my habitat restoration work, I am the Vice Chair - North for the Native Fish Coalition, and we work hard to educate the public about issues such as these. We are losing native fish - both game fish and non - to the stocking of non natives. And it has been going on since the mid to late 1800s. Look at the Catskills. Once a stronghold of native brook trout, now a wild and stocked brown and rainbow stronghold where native brookies have been forced to the smaller tributaries as their numbers plummet. 
 

Wish I had more time to discuss this, but I’m off to a dam removal meeting on a stream that was once all native brook trout and is now a mix of wild browns and stocked rainbows….

[mowin]

56 minutes ago, Bucksnbows said:

100% accurate and old news. On top of my habitat restoration work, I am the Vice Chair - North for the Native Fish Coalition, and we work hard to educate the public about issues such as these. We are losing native fish - both game fish and non - to the stocking of non natives. And it has been going on since the mid to late 1800s. Look at the Catskills. Once a stronghold of native brook trout, now a wild and stocked brown and rainbow stronghold where native brookies have been forced to the smaller tributaries as their numbers plummet. 
 

Wish I had more time to discuss this, but I’m off to a dam removal meeting on a stream that was once all native brook trout and is now a mix of wild browns and stocked rainbows….

It was a interesting read.  Never really thought about how the native species would be impacted. 

[The_Real_TCIII]

I joined the paflyfish forum and hoo boy do they hate brown trout! And stocking in general

[2BuckBizCT]

46 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

I joined the paflyfish forum and hoo boy do they hate brown trout! And stocking in general

what about Tiger trout and Golden?

[The_Real_TCIII]

Id like to know just how much they migrate. For example I fish the hell out of Clear Creek in Arcade and never catch any stocked browns even though they put thousands and thousands in the Catt. I fish a few hundred yards from the confluence but they dont seem to move up into Clear

[The_Real_TCIII]

6 minutes ago, 2BuckBizCT said:

what about Tiger trout and Golden?

Dont get them started...

 

Tigers are sort of wild, the stocked or wild browns breed with the brookies

[2BuckBizCT]

37 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

Dont get them started...

 

Tigers are sort of wild, the stocked or wild browns breed with the brookies

Imagine they stocked deer? certain state lands would be "trophy areas" with big breeder bucks!

[The_Real_TCIII]

5 hours ago, 2BuckBizCT said:

Imagine they stocked deer? certain state lands would be "trophy areas" with big breeder bucks!

FSW has joined the forum...

[Bucksnbows]

6 hours ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

Id like to know just how much they migrate. For example I fish the hell out of Clear Creek in Arcade and never catch any stocked browns even though they put thousands and thousands in the Catt. I fish a few hundred yards from the confluence but they dont seem to move up into Clear

There have been ample studies in many states. Nearly all stocked trout regardless of species swim downstream. Expect no fewer than 80% to move and to move downstream. 
 

I can’t be a native fish snob 100% of the time. We do a lot of pond construction and we restore a lot of trout fishing club waters, and most or all want to stock non native trout. We tell clubs in rivers to stock about 70% in the upper half of their water and the remaining 30% midway and let them move down on their own. Hatchery trout swim in raceways that lack the flows of a river or stream and they are purposely over fed to grow to catchable size in less than one year. Wild trout take 2 years to reach the same lengths as stocked fish in less than a year’s time. 

[Bucksnbows]

7 hours ago, 2BuckBizCT said:

what about Tiger trout and Golden?

Two mutants that wouldn’t exist if not for man’s interference.  The tigers can’t reproduce and the banana fish get slaughtered by predators because they stand out so much. 

[lucky118]

Idk where you fush in the Adirondacks, but last time I was there I caught  hundreds of brook trout. I thought that was all that was there. Pretty boring lol

[2BuckBizCT]

34 minutes ago, lucky118 said:

Idk where you fush in the Adirondacks, but last time I was there I caught  hundreds of brook trout. I thought that was all that was there. Pretty boring lol

Anyone can catch a 9” trout. It’s the 5-6 inch ones that gets some forum members wieners moving. 

[Bucksnbows]

I’m leaving my house by 4:30am tomorrow to study a stream that once had native brook trout that may be extirpated in this tributary to the St. Charles River outside Boston.  Our goal is to understand all impacts and whether or not we can reverse enough to have wild, native brook trout in this stream again. That’s what gets me excited. I don’t always need to fish for them. 

[crappyice]

5 minutes ago, 2BuckBizCT said:

Anyone can catch a 9” trout. It’s the 5-6 inch ones that gets some forum members wieners moving. 

Is this where we insert some pic of a guy in a chiefs sweatshirt proudly displaying a striped bass smaller than flies that Treeguy uses?