Ethics and cell cams

[Buckmaster7600]

Whats everyone’s take on the ethics of using cell cams while hunting. Basically If someone  has a cell cam and they get a picture and move to the animal do you think that is ethical? 
 

I know it’s currently legal in ny to do so but I don't see how it is ethical. 
 

 

[mowin]

18 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Whats everyone’s take on the ethics of using cell cams while hunting. Basically If someone  has a cell cam and they get a picture and move to the animal do you think that is ethical? 
 

I know it’s currently legal in ny to do so but I don't see how it is ethical. 
 

 

Hunter shaming using legal techniques will not be tolerated.  

[Bionic]

I use a cell cam to monitor rut activity on my 5 acres.  This allows me to keep out, once I see bucks cruising I know it’s time to hunt…. I can only access by one trail, and in no way shape or form can I get a pic, and sneak out back and kill the deer, as I work an hour from home a minimum of 5 days a week.  

[escpen]

I’ve used cell cams pretty extensively over the past 5+ years and not once have I been able to take a deer as a result of getting a picture of it and making a move to intercept it in the same day.  For me, it just doesn’t seem like that would be feasible given my relatively small acreage and my style of hunting (low impact).

I use them mainly to minimize disturbance and intrusion on my property. An added benefit is that I can monitor my property in almost real time for trespassers / people who don’t belong there. I’ve had more of those types of pictures than I care to admit.

[mowin]

Wow, one would think it's a slam dunk.  Lol

[Buckmaster7600]

31 minutes ago, escpen said:

  For me, it just doesn’t seem like that would be feasible given my relatively small acreage and my style of hunting (low impact).

 

This makes sense, I tend to hunt very aggressively so “low impact” isn’t something that crosses my mind. If there’s ever a time to make an impact I would think knowing a critter you want to kill is in front of your camera would be the time!

[grampy]

In Hunter Education we discuss ethics. The four C's of ethics are careful, considerate, capable and courteous. Also....Obey all applicable laws and regulations. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible. 

There are many things about ethics that have different meanings to different hunters. In some states baiting is legal. Are the hunters legally baiting unethical? I hunted deer in SC using dogs. It was legal. I certainly didn't feel I was being unethical. Nor did the others I hunted with. We all have our own ethics. Some would never hunt from a tree stand. But those that do are not unethical for doing so. We all have our own way of hunting and that's ok!! We all have different ways and customs in our hunting. As long as we follow the game laws, it's OK to let our own personal ethics guide us. And let others legally follow their own.

[Nomad]

I just hunt . I have two regular cams that I either pull prior to the season , or put on guard duty . 

[The_Real_TCIII]

I use cell cams, but I've only got two. They dont help me actually kill deer. But if cams were made illegal I wouldnt object. Its getting very close to not fair chase

[Buckmaster7600]

17 minutes ago, grampy said:

In Hunter Education we discuss ethics. The four C's of ethics are careful, considerate, capable and courteous. Also....Obey all applicable laws and regulations. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible. 

There are many things about ethics that have different meanings to different hunters. In some states baiting is legal. Are the hunters legally baiting unethical? I hunted deer in SC using dogs. It was legal. I certainly didn't feel I was being unethical. Nor did the others I hunted with. We all have our own ethics. Some would never hunt from a tree stand. But those that do are not unethical for doing so. We all have our own way of hunting and that's ok!! We all have different ways and customs in our hunting. As long as we follow the game laws, it's OK to let our own personal ethics guide us. And let others legally follow their own.

Ethics is 100% personal! There’s things I do while hunting that I know others think are unethical so I’m in no place to judge anyone. I’m just curious how everyone feels on the topic. 

[blackbeltbill]

   I have never used a Trail Camera.  I am getting good at Spotting Them in the Woods. They tell me that,I am in a good area. Then,I research the area more to find out why that Camera is there.

  Both Cynthia and,I took a Gobbler each less then 50 yards from a Trail Camera.

[grampy]

39 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Ethics is 100% personal! There’s things I do while hunting that I know others think are unethical so I’m in no place to judge anyone. I’m just curious how everyone feels on the topic. 

I have been using cell cams and trail cams for some time now. Never killed a deer after seeing a picture come up on a cell cam. But a few years ago, I was seeing a decent buck on a trail cam, on an oak ridge every now and then. On a snowy November afternoon I happened to be hunting that ridge because I thought maybe the deer would come there to feed. That buck came down the ridge following a doe. I killed him and got the sequence on camera. Was I unethical for doing so?

[Buckmaster7600]

6 hours ago, grampy said:

I have been using cell cams and trail cams for some time now. Never killed a deer after seeing a picture come up on a cell cam. But a few years ago, I was seeing a decent buck on a trail cam, on an oak ridge every now and then. On a snowy November afternoon I happened to be hunting that ridge because I thought maybe the deer would come there to feed. That buck came down the ridge following a doe. I killed him and got the sequence on camera. Was I unethical for doing so?

As I said in my previous post that you liked and quoted, ethics is personal. 
 

 

[Spysar]

Boone and Crockett has determined them to be NOT fair chase. 

They are legal so do what you want. 

I also believe that they cross the line. I agree that they are not fair chase.

Here's the reason. Deer have no defense for cell cams.

People will say, you have a gun, you have a bow, you have a treestand, etc. You should use a stick and string from the ground. Ok.

Well anything you do....YOU are there. You are what a deer has a defense for. If you use a rifle, compound bow, even old regular cams, at least you have to go to the camera and check it. So you are there. 

It's not fair to the deer to be spied on 24/7 with no defense. Same with drones.

Now I don't care what you do. They are legal to use. This is just my opinion. (well, and B&C too)

[mowin]

3 minutes ago, Spysar said:

Boone and Crockett has determined them to be NOT fair chase. 

They are legal so do what you want. 

I also believe that they cross the line. I agree that they are not fair chase.

Here's the reason. Deer have no defense for cell cams.

People will say, you have a gun, you have a bow, you have a treestand, etc. You should use a stick and string from the ground. Ok.

Well anything you do....YOU are there. You are what a deer has a defense for. If you use a rifle, compound bow, even old regular cams, at least you have to go to the camera and check it. So you are there. 

It's not fair to the deer to be spied on 24/7 with no defense. Same with drones.

Now I don't care what you do. They are legal to use. This is just my opinion. (well, and B&C too)

Most hunter don't give too craps about B&C. They'll never see one, let alone take one. 

Didn't B&C limit (maybe still do) the let off of a compound bow? I'll be you 90% of the compounds sold at that time didn't fit their rules. But they were legal to hunt with, were those people unethical? Did you hunt with one? 

I can guarantee you if I ever killed a B&C deer, I'd never know it, because it wouldn't get scored.  It most likely wouldn't get mounted.  It would most likely get cut up for dog toys like the rest of my antlers.