Bye bye safe act ?

[Phantom]

Could this effect the gun laws here ?

[grampy]

Not a chance. 

[Kayak Ken]

1 hour ago, grampy said:

Not a chance. 

It will take time but it will be deemed unconstitutional as well. New York carry law was overturn, why wouldn't a mag law be?

[Kayak Ken]

1 hour ago, Phantom said:

Could this effect the gun laws here ?

It would not immediately effect us, that was a state ruling. We are also covered by a different court circuit. 

[Phantom]

3 hours ago, Kayak Ken said:

It will take time but it will be deemed unconstitutional as well. New York carry law was overturn, why wouldn't a mag law be?

Yea  thats what I think I mean the constitution is on are side  but they know how to work the system to delay things from changing for years.  It does not even stop crime anyway most of these laws, you think the guy who breaks the law of not killing someone cares if his gun is what they want you to have . And he could always use something else anyway like a knife .  These laws only effect  the Law Abiding Citizen  not criminals. 

[Phantom]

5 hours ago, grampy said:

Not a chance. 

Change takes time 

[Robhuntandfish]

3 hours ago, Phantom said:

Change takes time 

What will change is they will just enact a new unconstitutional law.  Just like the last couple it takes 3 years or so to get overruled. Then in 30 days the state legislature passes an even more restrictive bill with different wording and then that takes three years to overturn.   In the meantime your a felon if you don't abide or be prepared to spend money and time in court and possibly lose your job as an outcome.  If you think anything down the line will be less restrictive then you have your head in the sand.  It's not going the other way again ever.  Every law that comes out in NY regarding firearms will be of further restriction.  

Edited September 23, 2023 by Robhuntandfish

[grampy]

45 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

What will change is they will just enact a new unconstitutional law.  Just like the last couple it takes 3 years or so to get overruled. Then in 30 days the state legislature passes an even more restrictive bill with different wording and then that takes three years to overturn.   In the meantime your a felon if you don't abide or be prepared to spend money and time in court and possibly lose your job as an outcome.  If you think anything down the line will be less restrictive then you have your head in the sand.  It's not going the other way again ever.  Every law that comes out in NY regarding firearms will be of further restriction.  

This is it exactly!!!

 

Hey, I'm with you guys saying these restrictive gun laws are unconstitutional. They certainly are!! But the reality is, we live in a liberal state. That protects criminals more than victims. Until this state gets enough votes to toss out the madness. It will be business as usual for the anti gun crowd in Albany. And as Rob stated above, they will just continue to stall, and rewrite laws, to get around anything the courts do. 

[mowin]

1 minute ago, grampy said:

This is it exactly!!!

 

Hey, I'm with you guys saying these restrictive gun laws are unconstitutional. They certainly are!! But the reality is, we live in a liberal state. That protects criminals more than victims. Until this state gets enough votes to toss out the madness. It will be business as usual for the anti gun crowd in Albany. And as Rob stated above, they will just continue to stall, and rewrite laws, to get around anything the courts do. 

It's not just NY.. it's coming on a federal level at some point. 

[Phantom]

3 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

What will change is they will just enact a new unconstitutional law.  Just like the last couple it takes 3 years or so to get overruled. Then in 30 days the state legislature passes an even more restrictive bill with different wording and then that takes three years to overturn.   In the meantime your a felon if you don't abide or be prepared to spend money and time in court and possibly lose your job as an outcome.  If you think anything down the line will be less restrictive then you have your head in the sand.  It's not going the other way again ever.  Every law that comes out in NY regarding firearms will be of further restriction.  

Depends who is in office in 3 years from now but you could be right thats the strategy they'll take  

[Phantom]

2 hours ago, mowin said:

It's not just NY.. it's coming on a federal level at some 

"It all depends on how many tools go batshit crazy and shoot up some public place. The public has a short memory, so if nothing bad happens for a long time, all the gun nonsense will go away. In reality, while you may think it's the politicians who create laws, it's actually just a few billionaires who pull the strings. It depends on what they want, not what we, the people, want."

[Robhuntandfish]

9 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Depends who is in office in 3 years from now but you could be right thats the strategy they'll take  

In NY it will continue to be the same as it has been for the last 20 years.    Hochul or James most likely, And it won't be any better.  

[cas]

You see how well the CCW thing is working out, we can only expect more of the same. Better in theory, worse in reality. 

[boo711]

The safe act is never going away

[Mike103]

I’ll be honest I don’t know what to believe anymore. 
 

I thought the SC would save us but it’s been years and things just get worse.