Belo Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 I didn't hear about this until I saw something on my feed this morning. What a shitty thing for them to do. Think wisely before you buy your next safe. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/business/liberty-safe-codes.html JohnPlav 1 "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowin Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Read about this the other day. They really messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraiseDiana Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 The article says you can call Liberty to have your code removed from their database - might be a good idea. dbHunterNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowin Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, PraiseDiana said: The article says you can call Liberty to have your code removed from their database - might be a good idea. Problem is if something happens and we die, and our significant other doesn't know that combo, they would be screwed if the code was removed. Nomad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belo Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 I think the moral of the story is, especially if you read further into the article, they were under no legal obligation to provide that information. Apple of all people went to court over this, and a f'n gun safe manufacturer just handed it over. shameful mowin, Nomad, cervidchasers and 2 others 4 1 "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) I’ve been following this since day one , surprised it took this long to be posted here . Yes they were in no obligation to provide the back up or over ride code and I don’t think they should have in this case . That’s something else to realize almost all safe companies keep your combo on file , it’s recorded by the serial number of the safe . That’s industry standard , so owners ,who lose or forget the combo can get in again . That requires proving ownership generally you send in the warranty card with ser# and your name when you buy it , then you will often need a notarized statement as well . Some companies require you to hire a bonded locksmith , as they’ll only release the combo to them . we put two ser# on the safe ,another on the card with the combo on it and another on a sheet of paper with the combo next to it ,that went up to the office for recording . The digital locks come from a lock company with the combo set ,the manual ( dial ) ones we built in house . Interesting fact the combo is not “ set “ the tumblers and drive wheel are stacked and built around a bushing, that the worker dials it out to see what the combo is . digital are easy to change and you can use numbers you pick , MOST dial ones don’t work that way , but you can change it , but not to numbers you pick . I’ve removed the ser# years ago, I’ve also removed the manufacturers name , as YouTube has many videos on getting in safes by brand . Edited September 26, 2023 by Nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 25 minutes ago, mowin said: Problem is if something happens and we die, and our significant other doesn't know that combo, they would be screwed if the code was removed. Almost any safe bought at a box store is five minutes or so to force open, many much faster . For an actual safe start with a TL30 rating and up , A safe tech can open any safe up for your heirs . Mine are to keep,out kids and sneak thieves , and I don’t load everything of value up in one safe that’s not a wise practice . mowin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belo Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Nomad said: I’ve been following this since day one , surprised it took this long to be posted here . Yes they were in no obligation to provide the back up or over ride code and I don’t think they should have in this case . That’s something else to realize almost all safe companies keep your combo on file , it’s recorded by the serial number of the safe . That’s industry standard , so owners ,who lose or forget the combo can get in again . That requires proving ownership generally you send in the warranty card with ser# and your name when you buy it , then you will often need a notarized statement as well . Some companies require you to hire a bonded locksmith , as they’ll only release the combo to them . we put two ser# on the safe ,another on the card with the combo on it and another on a sheet of paper with the combo next to it ,that went up to the office for recording . The digital locks come from a lock company with the combo set ,the manual ( dial ) ones we built in house . Interesting fact the combo is not “ set “ the tumblers and drive wheel are stacked and built around a bushing, that the worker dials it out to see what the combo is . digital are easy to change and you can use numbers you pick , MOST dial ones don’t work that way , but you can change it , but not to numbers you pick . I’ve removed the ser# years ago, I’ve also removed the manufacturers name , as YouTube has many videos on getting in safes by brand . 1 hour ago, Nomad said: Almost any safe bought at a box store is five minutes or so to force open, many much faster . For an actual safe start with a TL30 rating and up , A safe tech can open any safe up for your heirs . Mine are to keep,out kids and sneak thieves , and I don’t load everything of value up in one safe that’s not a wise practice . I subscribe to "if they want it bad enough". Meaning, I don't expect my safe to be 100% impenetrable to burglary. I do expect it to slow some dudes down, and most drug addicts and shit head criminals aren't that smart. It's like locking my doors. DOes it stop a thief from breaking a window and getting in? Of course not. Does it slow them down and make some noise? Of course. The point of this story is more about cooperation with the government. As the article points out, the FBI could still easily have taken a blow torch to the safe if they had the right approvals to do so. But shit man, to just hand it over willy nilly? nah. Nomad 1 "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) apparently i'm the only one that doesn't have a BS subscription to the NY times. couldn't read the article. weird.... changed browsers and I was able to minimize it. glad I don't have a Liberty brand safe.... well at least one I know isn't made by them. Edited September 27, 2023 by dbHunterNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belo Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 15 hours ago, dbHunterNY said: apparently i'm the only one that doesn't have a BS subscription to the NY times. couldn't read the article. weird.... changed browsers and I was able to minimize it. glad I don't have a Liberty brand safe.... well at least one I know isn't made by them. I could read it without a subscription. here's another link https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gun-safe-company-backlash-providing-fbi-code-customers-safe "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 11:48 AM, Belo said: I subscribe to "if they want it bad enough". Meaning, I don't expect my safe to be 100% impenetrable to burglary. I do expect it to slow some dudes down, and most drug addicts and shit head criminals aren't that smart. It's like locking my doors. DOes it stop a thief from breaking a window and getting in? Of course not. Does it slow them down and make some noise? Of course. The point of this story is more about cooperation with the government. As the article points out, the FBI could still easily have taken a blow torch to the safe if they had the right approvals to do so. But shit man, to just hand it over willy nilly? nah. I agree completely and didn’t mean to hijack this to much . I’d reinforce your door jams though, right now it’s a half inch of pine and two 1/2 screws holding your deadbolt in place two ,maybe three kicks if they’re weak . There wasn’t much new construction in the city but it’s a joke . Fbi could have used an angle grinder like most other thieves do that watch YouTube . It’s a sheet metal box in most cases . Yes Liberty was wrong , and they’ve taken a pounding on every gun , 2A , pro USA , forum and YouTube for a couple weeks now. They also released a revised policy some time ago , in an effort to avoid being the next Bud Light . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Belo said: I could read it without a subscription. here's another link https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gun-safe-company-backlash-providing-fbi-code-customers-safe yea i figured it out... i was at the office and with our IT department settings and multiple browsers to work different conferencing and other software it didn't like what i was doing. i read it. very shady on their part. their PR department sucks and now their just back pedaling to save their ass. wonder how much the parent company and policy has played into it. they often ruin a good thing. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belo Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Nomad said: I agree completely and didn’t mean to hijack this to much . I’d reinforce your door jams though, right now it’s a half inch of pine and two 1/2 screws holding your deadbolt in place two ,maybe three kicks if they’re weak . There wasn’t much new construction in the city but it’s a joke . Fbi could have used an angle grinder like most other thieves do that watch YouTube . It’s a sheet metal box in most cases . Yes Liberty was wrong , and they’ve taken a pounding on every gun , 2A , pro USA , forum and YouTube for a couple weeks now. They also released a revised policy some time ago , in an effort to avoid being the next Bud Light . my door and jam are reinforced metal, but yeah it still wouldn't take much. By the 3rd thump I should have my bedside safe kimber 1911 with trigger guard laser/light combo ready to rock and roll. I wish a fool would... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Back 40 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Most "Gun Safes" are a joke anyway. The advertised capacity isn't even close to realistic, and the fireproofing typically comes from sheetrock. We occasionally have to build out fire rated equipment rooms and they call for double layered 5/8" sheetrock on both sides or the wall with a standard fireproof Rockwool insulation. You would be better off building out a small "safe" area in a closet with two layers of plywood on the outside and sheetrock on the inside and install a good door. You would have more room, nobody could haul off your whole stash, and you could install a rack system that keeps everything organized. It would take just as long to get through the plywood as it takes to get through the Sheetmetal on a safe and even in a safe, most guns would never survive a full house fire anyway, the key is taking pictures of the firearm and the serial numbers so that if there ever is a fire you can get your insurance company to cover them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belo Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 32 minutes ago, The Back 40 said: Most "Gun Safes" are a joke anyway. The advertised capacity isn't even close to realistic, and the fireproofing typically comes from sheetrock. We occasionally have to build out fire rated equipment rooms and they call for double layered 5/8" sheetrock on both sides or the wall with a standard fireproof Rockwool insulation. You would be better off building out a small "safe" area in a closet with two layers of plywood on the outside and sheetrock on the inside and install a good door. You would have more room, nobody could haul off your whole stash, and you could install a rack system that keeps everything organized. It would take just as long to get through the plywood as it takes to get through the Sheetmetal on a safe and even in a safe, most guns would never survive a full house fire anyway, the key is taking pictures of the firearm and the serial numbers so that if there ever is a fire you can get your insurance company to cover them. I think there are different levels for different owners. I think we can all agree, that irresponsible gun owners continue to hurt and impact all of us legal gun owners. So if a guy has a few hunting guns around and he's at least using trigger locks or a locked closet to keep them away from his kids, I'll take that over the guy who has one loaded in his bedside drawer. Even a bedside pistol case can run over $100 and for many, they don't have that kind of money. Then there are the dicks specials for like $500,which are big and heavy but not even fireproof, but still a nice option to deter the basic criminal and child. Then of course there's homeowners insurance if all else fails and yeah that wont replace sentimental value, but it's something as well. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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