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Can Season Frameworks Affect Wild Turkey Populations? W/Dr. Mike Chamberlain.


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we've already seen it here. reduction in fall bag limits. NY has a season that starts in May versus April when birds are really hot. most turkey hunters i know bag a long beard and then help call for others. we could still go to 1 spring bird in some areas. honestly some WMU's have a ton of birds others seem like they're scarce as hell.  also habitat management has boomed as of late but it pertains mostly to deer. deer habitat doesn't always translate to good turkey habitat. a deer's visibility against predation has higher cover than turkeys.

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11 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

we've already seen it here. reduction in fall bag limits. NY has a season that starts in May versus April when birds are really hot. most turkey hunters i know bag a long beard and then help call for others. we could still go to 1 spring bird in some areas. honestly some WMU's have a ton of birds others seem like they're scarce as hell.  also habitat management has boomed as of late but it pertains mostly to deer. deer habitat doesn't always translate to good turkey habitat. a deer's visibility against predation has higher cover than turkeys.

  Indeed steps have already been taken in NY as you pointed out.

  Back in 2015- There was the 3 way Fall Turkey Season Change in New York that few remember. 

1, Fall Season Shortened from 6 Weeks to 2 Weeks.

2.Fall Bag Limit in Large Zones 3+4 reduced by 50% / 2 Fall Birds to 1 Bird.- Note- Western NY always had a 1 Fall Turkey Limit. Some County's- like Steuben had a Fall Turkey Take fully Twice or more then the Spring Take in some years in the mid 80s and into the 90s. I still have the DEC paperwork. That would reduce drastically  the Turkey Population. 

3. The October 1st Fall Turkey Opener in large Zones 3+4 was pushed back near 3 weeks towards the end of October.  Note- At the same time- The Bow Deer Season gained an extra 3 weeks and the opening date was pushed back to October  1st.

 Basically a Switch was made.

   Large States such as New York should always have a 2 Gobbler Spring Limit.  I like what some Southren States do and what was talked about in this video. That is a 1 Gobbler Limit that 1st week when most Big Birds are killed.  2nd Gobbler can then be hunted.

  New Jersey should definitely change their Format. With enough knowledge  of the Regs in both The Lottery Phase and the over the counter phase. And with super quick fingers on the NJ Statewide/ 10am- over the counter day in March- a Turkey Hunter could put in for many Spring Turkey Permits.  

Take The Multiple Use Area Challenge. 

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40 minutes ago, Fab said:

Ny spring bag limit structure should go back to how it was

 

2 birds but only 1 in the first half of May.   So May 1 to 16.  One bird.  May 17-31. 2 birds. Unless 1 was take in the first half of May 

Fall should be males only or no season at all in some areas.  

  Thanks for the Feedback.  What you allude to is definitely  a good format. That of 1 Gobbler  during the first 2 Weeks of May. Thereafter Tom #2 can be hunted or 2 Toms if the Hunter still has his first Tag.

    Other measures that could be taken in NY is outlawing Reaping and Gobbler Decoys. Even today's Hen Turkey Decoys are 100% more realistic looking then the old Fold up Featherflex.

     Probably  many Turkey Hunters in Ohio wishes other measures  were taken before that State moved to a 1 Bird Spring Limit back a few years now. Those here who follow " oldgobbler" might remember  that Spring Hunters in that State were not expecting that drastic change. It was passed quick.

   Right now New York has a  stable Turkey population although there are pocket areas of few Birds similar to most States.

   And the 3 way/Fall Turkey change in 2015 has had a positive  impact in Zones 3 and 4 especially. 

Take The Multiple Use Area Challenge. 

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1 hour ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

I would love to see New York go to 1 spring bird. I could get back to work/fishing that much sooner.

  Your solution is very easy. Take your 1 Gobbler and don't  use your other Tag. Go right back to Work/Fishing.

Take The Multiple Use Area Challenge. 

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4 hours ago, Fab said:

Ny spring bag limit structure should go back to how it was

 

2 birds but only 1 in the first half of May.   So May 1 to 16.  One bird.  May 17-31. 2 birds. Unless 1 was take in the first half of May 

Fall should be males only or no season at all in some areas.  

When was this last in place in NY?

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7 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Yes, on a personal level however that does  very little for the declining/lower turkey numbers.

  As,I pointed out in an earlier Post- the 3 Way/ Fall Turkey change of format back in 2015 has made a positive  impact on raising The Turkey Population.  Especially  in the large Zones of 3 and 4.  No reduction of the Spring Take of 2 Birds is neccessary in NY. 

    Cutting the limit to just 1 Gobbler in the first 2 weeks of May would be the right path before further more drastic action is needed. 

   Towards the end of this near 2 hour podcast- it was pointed out that most Gobblers are killed in the first 2 weeks of the Spring Turkey Season.

Take The Multiple Use Area Challenge. 

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Habitat is key here. If private lands (and state forests) would start managing their properties properly, then we'd have better turkey numbers. Its pretty much as simple as that. Reducing gobbler limits really doesn't have the impact you think it would. Saving hens in the fall helps a little, but still not nearly as important as habitat management. 

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9 minutes ago, blackbeltbill said:

  As,I pointed out in an earlier Post- the 3 Way/ Fall Turkey change of format back in 2015 has made a positive  impact on raising The Turkey Population.  Especially  in the large Zones of 3 and 4.  No reduction of the Spring Take of 2 Birds is neccessary in NY. 

    Cutting the limit to just 1 Gobbler in the first 2 weeks of May would be the right path before further more drastic action is needed. 

   Towards the end of this near 2 hour podcast- it was pointed out that most Gobblers are killed in the first 2 weeks of the Spring Turkey Season.

What percentage of spring hunters kill 2 birds?

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