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I just joined this site and was wondering if there was any interest in a fly swap.  I have been hosting swaps for the past 14 years on various sites, in fact I have 4 active swaps on these sites (https://www.flytyingforum.com/ - "You Give Me the Woolies Swap" - Woolly Bugger/Worm type patterns, https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php - "Fore and Aft Swap" - think Renegade-type patterns, PA Fly Fishing (paff.com)- "Pear Tree Swap" - Partridge  involved patterns) all under my same WWKimba handle and all registrations are closed.  The last is still active on PNWflyfishing.com - "The First Place Swap" - flies designed by the Blue Ribbon Flies Company think tank of fine fly patterns - registration is still active and due to an E-mail problem my handle  is WWKimba1.

All my swaps are open to ALL level/experience tyers and I do give a fly tying gift to all members of my swaps.  Also, I do provide additional assistance to all who are new to swaps as well as those new to tying.  I like to ensure all those in my swaps have FUN!

Just post below if you like if I hosted a fly swap on this site.  Also, if you aren't sure what is entailed in a fly swap check out my Fly Swaps 101 below - it nothing else it's a great way to fall asleep if you have insomnia!:D

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Fly Swaps 101 - All you'll need to know about joining a fly swap

A fly swap is simply where a person - the Swap Host, sometimes referred to as the Swapmeister -comes up with a theme and invites others to join in by tying a theme-specific fly pattern (one of their own designs OR one that was designed by another tyer) and sends those flies in (enough so each other swap member gets one) to the Host. The swap's host will divide the flies so each member gets one each of all the other patterns and return mails those flies to each member. Swaps are a great way to build your personal pattern database while having a fly to test drive on their home waters. Plus, you get to see the work of more experienced fly tyers - the path that you'll want to follow as you develop! Themes can LITERALLY be ANYTHING! The Caddyshack Swap is an actual swap that I've hosted (yeah, it could have simply been called the Woodchuck Swap but I like to have a little FUN!), Flies Designed by Women Tyers (I call mine the Ladies Night Swap and when I offer it I choose March to offer it), Flies Designed by (name) - there are many famous fly tyers in history that the host can choose to honor, and one that I recently participated in - The Sports Swap, tying a fly that uses the colors of your favorite college or professional baseball/football teams! I was born and grew up in Cortland NY and designed a fly for TWO college football teams called the Cortaca Jug - feel free to Google the name for this flies unique history (oh, and my Grandfather lived in Homer and was good friends with the guy the original jug was purchased from!).

Cortaca Jug
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There are 5 basic things that you'll need for each swap that you join in: your flies (I know, DUH!), an individual toe tag for each fly, a swap box, a SASE (self-addressed, stamped envelope), and a sending envelope.

Your Flies - Generally you will be expected to choose tie a single pattern and tie enough flies of that pattern so each swap member will get one of your ties. All swaps have a swap theme, this is to provide you guidance in choosing your pattern. Here's how to know how many flies to tie for the swap. All swaps have a registration time/size limit - most swaps will run if AT LEAST 6 people register and close at NO MORE than 12 people. In MY swaps if 11 people register by the closing date then you would tie 11 flies - one for each tyer and one for me as the host (I do tie as well but do not add my name on the list). Some hosts will include their name on the registration list as the last spot - in that case just tie one for each of the other swappers (10 in the above case - if you tie 11 then you'll get your own fly back OR give it to the host as a thank you for hosting the swap!). As a courtesy to the other swappers PLEASE either debarb your hooks or use barbless hooks - with my expert  casting skills it'll save another piercing!

Toe Tags - A toe tag's job is to AT MINIMUM - ID you as the tyer (by using your site handle) and ID the name of the fly you tied. If you designed a pattern, it is nice if you note the pattern materials list on the swap thread (where you registered for the swap - this will allow the other swappers to tie your pattern if they find that they like it! Toe tags can be made of slips of paper or cardstock or 2 MM - 3 MM foam strips, they can be typed/printed or hand written. You may also include the site where the swap originated, name of the swap. and some or all or your real-world information: name/mailing address/phone number/E-mail address and/or the name of your business (usually found on professional tyers flies that participate in the swap to advertise their flies). To attach a toe tag to the hook, the best way is to simply poke the point of the hook through the tag. If using paper, here's a helpful hint that I stole from someone else and pass it along as my own, oops, did I say that last part out-loud?! Simply leave a blank tag of paper on either end of your tag and fold it up so the paper is doubled and the SHORT part of the tag is on top, then poke the hook point through BOTH thicknesses of the paper. Now the KEY part - open the fold so it now becomes a hinge. The open hinge will lock the hook in place otherwise if you do not take this step your "barbless" hook will slip off the toe tag in transit. When you get a fly with this type of toe tag simply squeeze the hinge shut and the fly should slip out the now single hole. Boy I'm glad I stole that idea, DARN IT, I said it out loud again!! BTW, I print my toe tags on my computer using a 10 Font in bold with 18-20 spaces to account for the folded paper hinge.

Swap Box - Two words can give you the simplest and most complete picture in your mind's eye - Altoids tin! Simply , a swap box is used to protect your flies in the mail. It can be plastic or metal container that is generally no deeper than 1 1/2". Boxes MAY be divided just make sure that the spaces are large enough to accommodate your RETURN flies. I have seen a Mayfly themed swap where a swapper tied these wonderful size 24 Trico dries and used a small box, and sure enough someone from Michigan contributed their state bird, the Hex, in a size 6! Ever try to park a 747 in a hanger built for a Cessna?! Also, to avoid other issues. ALWAYS include AT LEAST your screen name on your box. Why? Remember the Altoids tin I mentioned before - now put yourself in the Swap Host's shoes! You are ready to separate the flies so each member gets on (and ONLY one) of all the other swappers flies, you look down and of the 12 members, 5 of them sent their flies in Altiods tins!!!!! Need I say more!

The SASE - Why an SASE? I'll answer this question with a question - Do you want your set of flies returned to you? As hosts, we will happily manage a swap from its inception to when you reach in your mailbox and find some fine flies BUT we will not PAY for that privilege. You need to supply your own sending and receiving postage/shipping. Your SASE (Self Addressed, Stamped Envelope) can be folded over and included in your sending envelope - more on that in a minute. It should include your complete mailing address on BOTH the sending and return mail spaces - just in case one of the USPS ponies try to eat your flies! Also, it should have the postage already posted on the envelope - that's why it's called a SASE!. Some hosts, including me will accept either cash or check to cover postage - check with your host before-hand if you would like to try this - I live in walking distance of both my bank and post office - not every host has that option. Also, it is fine if you re-use an envelope and not buy a new one. When I re-use an envelope I will either black out any bar codes, old address info and/or use larger sized blank mailing labels to cover and write over my new info. To figure postage you may have the clerk at your local post office/shipper to weigh the flies, the swap box and SASE to figure the postage BEFORE you seal the information or try what I'll mention next under the SENDING ENVELOPE. Oh, and PLEASE include your site handle on this envelope.

Sending Envelope - Simply this holds all of the above and carries it to the swap host so they can do their magic. One thing about BOTH the SASE and the sending envelope is that they should be NO SMALLER than a 5" by 8" and larger is OK. They can be padded but an unpadded envelope will work just as well (remember, the swap box will protect your ties!) and that the larger sized envelopes are no more expensive to mail than the 5X8's. For postage, especially if you plan on swapping on a regular basis, buy and use FOREVER postage!
FOREVER postage is NOT limited to just First Class stamps. Other FOREVER-type stamps include Two Ounce, Three Ounce, International, Additional Ounce, Additional Postage and Non-Machinable stamps. These with a few 1->10 cent stamps and you'll save on postage overall. And these are VERY handy especially if used on your SASE. All hosts will provide you their mailing info - some simply post it on the swap notice and others will send you a PM (personal message just after the swap registration closes so you'll have the final member count as well. Here is a way to (almost) always have the correct postage. First go to this official USPS site - https://postcalc.usps.com/, on the first page simply list yours and the receivers ZIP code and the click the "Calculate price.." (the 4th picture box) and ignore all the rest if shipping in the US, when you click the picture box a new screen will appear and simply put 3.6 in the ounce box (almost ALL swaps will fall in this weight area - if participating in a large streamer (2/0 or larger hooks or you are in a saltwater swap you may want to adjust the weight to see if you need to add more postage) and click the "Large Envelope" box to get to the next page, on this new page click the 4th box (the one that includes a ruler and click. Now your postage will be shown on this page - simply go near the bottom of the list and you'll see the Ground Shipping/1st Class cost for postage. It takes 10 minutes to read the directions and 10 seconds to follow them! Oh, and re-used envelopes can be used here and NOTE, since the PO will be covering this envelope with both a postage tag and the USPS tracking number barcode on this envelope, you will not have to cover/black-out this info on this envelope - they'll do it for you!! Remember to include your return mailing address AND site handle on this envelope as well.

Why include your site handle on your toe tags, swap box, SASE, AND your sending envelope? This is how you stay on your friendly swap host's good side! You see we use that name to cross-reference all the parts of a swap. The tags to ID your flies, the box so we know where the flies are going to (remember we may have up to 12 different sets of materials unique to each swapper), so where we know which SASE to put that particular set of flies to! And the sending envelope - we use that so when we have our USPS receipt, we will be able to PM each of you with your unique USPS tracking number to keep track of your flies. We ALL just hate it when we put in this FUN efforts and a USPS pony ends up eating up all our efforts!

One last and MOST IMPORTANT RULE FOR ANY SWAP -- HAVE FUN! I host these swaps as a labor of love! Plus, it keeps me busy enough so my picture does not end up on the post office walls  I hope that you enjoy and learn from fly swaps and maybe make a buddy or two along the way!
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There you have it and I hope this helps you out! (At least it can help put you to sleep!).

Oh, and I figure that you should all know who they are swapping flies with.  

ScoutsFlyTying.thumb.JPG.7d27a1339f75ff66921c4f9b44ea4acc.JPGThis is a VERY old picture of me when I was with the BSA - the kids in this picture have kids of their own now!  I'm the big ugly one tying on a homemade clothespin vise (designed by a site friend of mine from the FAOL site and fellow author, Ed Engelman).  By "floor model" (and back-up is seen in front of my pattern book and bucktails).  I have long since shaved my beard and lost over 100 lbs. - who knew the silver in that thing weighed that much!  One thing, if you want to be the center of attention - tie a fly!!

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1 hour ago, BowmanMike said:

Swapmeister is hilarious. This may be a way to get me back to tying some flies,haven't done that in several years...Buy also haven't fly fished much in the last few years...

I was wondering if we have something in common.  You see my real world name is Kim Bowman!  just checking.

Kim 

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My usual first swap theme is the Ark Swap - 2X2 patterns AKA 2 materials or less (hook and thread are free) and 2 minutes or less to tie (I use a calendar as my timing device).  Other names are box fillers and guide flies.  It's a nice safe way to start a swap until I establish my cred on this site.  If you vet me on the sites I mentioned above or on FAOL (flyaglersonline.com - their forum section - this is where I cut my teeth on swaps.).  FAOL had 4-6 overlapping swaps every month every month in it's heyday!  There are a couple more but you'd need to use the Wayback site since these are no longer on-line.

If I get a little more positive feedback I'll post the swap and thanks to those who have given such a quick response!

Kim

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3 hours ago, WWKimba said:

I just joined this site and was wondering if there was any interest in a fly swap.  I have been hosting swaps for the past 14 years on various sites, in fact I have 4 active swaps on these sites (https://www.flytyingforum.com/ - "You Give Me the Woolies Swap" - Woolly Bugger/Worm type patterns, https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php - "Fore and Aft Swap" - think Renegade-type patterns, PA Fly Fishing (paff.com)- "Pear Tree Swap" - Partridge  involved patterns) all under my same WWKimba handle and all registrations are closed.  The last is still active on PNWflyfishing.com - "The First Place Swap" - flies designed by the Blue Ribbon Flies Company think tank of fine fly patterns - registration is still active and due to an E-mail problem my handle  is WWKimba1.

All my swaps are open to ALL level/experience tyers and I do give a fly tying gift to all members of my swaps.  Also, I do provide additional assistance to all who are new to swaps as well as those new to tying.  I like to ensure all those in my swaps have FUN!

Just post below if you like if I hosted a fly swap on this site.  Also, if you aren't sure what is entailed in a fly swap check out my Fly Swaps 101 below - it nothing else it's a great way to fall asleep if you have insomnia!:D

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Fly Swaps 101 - All you'll need to know about joining a fly swap

A fly swap is simply where a person - the Swap Host, sometimes referred to as the Swapmeister -comes up with a theme and invites others to join in by tying a theme-specific fly pattern (one of their own designs OR one that was designed by another tyer) and sends those flies in (enough so each other swap member gets one) to the Host. The swap's host will divide the flies so each member gets one each of all the other patterns and return mails those flies to each member. Swaps are a great way to build your personal pattern database while having a fly to test drive on their home waters. Plus, you get to see the work of more experienced fly tyers - the path that you'll want to follow as you develop! Themes can LITERALLY be ANYTHING! The Caddyshack Swap is an actual swap that I've hosted (yeah, it could have simply been called the Woodchuck Swap but I like to have a little FUN!), Flies Designed by Women Tyers (I call mine the Ladies Night Swap and when I offer it I choose March to offer it), Flies Designed by (name) - there are many famous fly tyers in history that the host can choose to honor, and one that I recently participated in - The Sports Swap, tying a fly that uses the colors of your favorite college or professional baseball/football teams! I was born and grew up in Cortland NY and designed a fly for TWO college football teams called the Cortaca Jug - feel free to Google the name for this flies unique history (oh, and my Grandfather lived in Homer and was good friends with the guy the original jug was purchased from!).

Cortaca Jug
CortacaJug.thumb.jpg.d02f352ed22fa168c1632469a59390fb.jpg
There are 5 basic things that you'll need for each swap that you join in: your flies (I know, DUH!), an individual toe tag for each fly, a swap box, a SASE (self-addressed, stamped envelope), and a sending envelope.

Your Flies - Generally you will be expected to choose tie a single pattern and tie enough flies of that pattern so each swap member will get one of your ties. All swaps have a swap theme, this is to provide you guidance in choosing your pattern. Here's how to know how many flies to tie for the swap. All swaps have a registration time/size limit - most swaps will run if AT LEAST 6 people register and close at NO MORE than 12 people. In MY swaps if 11 people register by the closing date then you would tie 11 flies - one for each tyer and one for me as the host (I do tie as well but do not add my name on the list). Some hosts will include their name on the registration list as the last spot - in that case just tie one for each of the other swappers (10 in the above case - if you tie 11 then you'll get your own fly back OR give it to the host as a thank you for hosting the swap!). As a courtesy to the other swappers PLEASE either debarb your hooks or use barbless hooks - with my expert  casting skills it'll save another piercing!

Toe Tags - A toe tag's job is to AT MINIMUM - ID you as the tyer (by using your site handle) and ID the name of the fly you tied. If you designed a pattern, it is nice if you note the pattern materials list on the swap thread (where you registered for the swap - this will allow the other swappers to tie your pattern if they find that they like it! Toe tags can be made of slips of paper or cardstock or 2 MM - 3 MM foam strips, they can be typed/printed or hand written. You may also include the site where the swap originated, name of the swap. and some or all or your real-world information: name/mailing address/phone number/E-mail address and/or the name of your business (usually found on professional tyers flies that participate in the swap to advertise their flies). To attach a toe tag to the hook, the best way is to simply poke the point of the hook through the tag. If using paper, here's a helpful hint that I stole from someone else and pass it along as my own, oops, did I say that last part out-loud?! Simply leave a blank tag of paper on either end of your tag and fold it up so the paper is doubled and the SHORT part of the tag is on top, then poke the hook point through BOTH thicknesses of the paper. Now the KEY part - open the fold so it now becomes a hinge. The open hinge will lock the hook in place otherwise if you do not take this step your "barbless" hook will slip off the toe tag in transit. When you get a fly with this type of toe tag simply squeeze the hinge shut and the fly should slip out the now single hole. Boy I'm glad I stole that idea, DARN IT, I said it out loud again!! BTW, I print my toe tags on my computer using a 10 Font in bold with 18-20 spaces to account for the folded paper hinge.

Swap Box - Two words can give you the simplest and most complete picture in your mind's eye - Altoids tin! Simply , a swap box is used to protect your flies in the mail. It can be plastic or metal container that is generally no deeper than 1 1/2". Boxes MAY be divided just make sure that the spaces are large enough to accommodate your RETURN flies. I have seen a Mayfly themed swap where a swapper tied these wonderful size 24 Trico dries and used a small box, and sure enough someone from Michigan contributed their state bird, the Hex, in a size 6! Ever try to park a 747 in a hanger built for a Cessna?! Also, to avoid other issues. ALWAYS include AT LEAST your screen name on your box. Why? Remember the Altoids tin I mentioned before - now put yourself in the Swap Host's shoes! You are ready to separate the flies so each member gets on (and ONLY one) of all the other swappers flies, you look down and of the 12 members, 5 of them sent their flies in Altiods tins!!!!! Need I say more!

The SASE - Why an SASE? I'll answer this question with a question - Do you want your set of flies returned to you? As hosts, we will happily manage a swap from its inception to when you reach in your mailbox and find some fine flies BUT we will not PAY for that privilege. You need to supply your own sending and receiving postage/shipping. Your SASE (Self Addressed, Stamped Envelope) can be folded over and included in your sending envelope - more on that in a minute. It should include your complete mailing address on BOTH the sending and return mail spaces - just in case one of the USPS ponies try to eat your flies! Also, it should have the postage already posted on the envelope - that's why it's called a SASE!. Some hosts, including me will accept either cash or check to cover postage - check with your host before-hand if you would like to try this - I live in walking distance of both my bank and post office - not every host has that option. Also, it is fine if you re-use an envelope and not buy a new one. When I re-use an envelope I will either black out any bar codes, old address info and/or use larger sized blank mailing labels to cover and write over my new info. To figure postage you may have the clerk at your local post office/shipper to weigh the flies, the swap box and SASE to figure the postage BEFORE you seal the information or try what I'll mention next under the SENDING ENVELOPE. Oh, and PLEASE include your site handle on this envelope.

Sending Envelope - Simply this holds all of the above and carries it to the swap host so they can do their magic. One thing about BOTH the SASE and the sending envelope is that they should be NO SMALLER than a 5" by 8" and larger is OK. They can be padded but an unpadded envelope will work just as well (remember, the swap box will protect your ties!) and that the larger sized envelopes are no more expensive to mail than the 5X8's. For postage, especially if you plan on swapping on a regular basis, buy and use FOREVER postage!
FOREVER postage is NOT limited to just First Class stamps. Other FOREVER-type stamps include Two Ounce, Three Ounce, International, Additional Ounce, Additional Postage and Non-Machinable stamps. These with a few 1->10 cent stamps and you'll save on postage overall. And these are VERY handy especially if used on your SASE. All hosts will provide you their mailing info - some simply post it on the swap notice and others will send you a PM (personal message just after the swap registration closes so you'll have the final member count as well. Here is a way to (almost) always have the correct postage. First go to this official USPS site - https://postcalc.usps.com/, on the first page simply list yours and the receivers ZIP code and the click the "Calculate price.." (the 4th picture box) and ignore all the rest if shipping in the US, when you click the picture box a new screen will appear and simply put 3.6 in the ounce box (almost ALL swaps will fall in this weight area - if participating in a large streamer (2/0 or larger hooks or you are in a saltwater swap you may want to adjust the weight to see if you need to add more postage) and click the "Large Envelope" box to get to the next page, on this new page click the 4th box (the one that includes a ruler and click. Now your postage will be shown on this page - simply go near the bottom of the list and you'll see the Ground Shipping/1st Class cost for postage. It takes 10 minutes to read the directions and 10 seconds to follow them! Oh, and re-used envelopes can be used here and NOTE, since the PO will be covering this envelope with both a postage tag and the USPS tracking number barcode on this envelope, you will not have to cover/black-out this info on this envelope - they'll do it for you!! Remember to include your return mailing address AND site handle on this envelope as well.

Why include your site handle on your toe tags, swap box, SASE, AND your sending envelope? This is how you stay on your friendly swap host's good side! You see we use that name to cross-reference all the parts of a swap. The tags to ID your flies, the box so we know where the flies are going to (remember we may have up to 12 different sets of materials unique to each swapper), so where we know which SASE to put that particular set of flies to! And the sending envelope - we use that so when we have our USPS receipt, we will be able to PM each of you with your unique USPS tracking number to keep track of your flies. We ALL just hate it when we put in this FUN efforts and a USPS pony ends up eating up all our efforts!

One last and MOST IMPORTANT RULE FOR ANY SWAP -- HAVE FUN! I host these swaps as a labor of love! Plus, it keeps me busy enough so my picture does not end up on the post office walls  I hope that you enjoy and learn from fly swaps and maybe make a buddy or two along the way!
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There you have it and I hope this helps you out! (At least it can help put you to sleep!).

Oh, and I figure that you should all know who they are swapping flies with.  

ScoutsFlyTying.thumb.JPG.7d27a1339f75ff66921c4f9b44ea4acc.JPGThis is a VERY old picture of me when I was with the BSA - the kids in this picture have kids of their own now!  I'm the big ugly one tying on a homemade clothespin vise (designed by a site friend of mine from the FAOL site and fellow author, Ed Engelman).  By "floor model" (and back-up is seen in front of my pattern book and bucktails).  I have long since shaved my beard and lost over 100 lbs. - who knew the silver in that thing weighed that much!  One thing, if you want to be the center of attention - tie a fly!!

First of all, go IC Bombers!! (Class of ‘87). Welcome to the site and I always love a good fly swap. That said, not sure if we have critical numbers of fly anglers yet here, but we should find out soon. 
 

My cousin and her husband of nearly 40 years met at SUNY Cortland and I went to the other school. Lots of trash talk every fall for the Cortaca Jug!  

"A sinking fly is closer to Hell" - Anonymous 

 

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11 hours ago, WWKimba said:

I was wondering if we have something in common.  You see my real world name is Kim Bowman!  just checking.

Kim 

No relation,my bowman is for the fact that I love archery. But I am german,hence the swapmeister is a funny term to me,plus I am easily amused.

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13 hours ago, Bucksnbows said:

First of all, go IC Bombers!! (Class of ‘87). Welcome to the site and I always love a good fly swap. That said, not sure if we have critical numbers of fly anglers yet here, but we should find out soon. 
 

My cousin and her husband of nearly 40 years met at SUNY Cortland and I went to the other school. Lots of trash talk every fall for the Cortaca Jug!  

I grew up just down the road from the SUNY Cortland sports fields - played many a pick-up football and baseball games there as well as bar league softball games.  My Mom owned college housing right next to the 1890 House Museum.  Small world!

Kim

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15 minutes ago, WWKimba said:

I grew up just down the road from the SUNY Cortland sports fields - played many a pick-up football and baseball games there as well as bar league softball games.  My Mom owned college housing right next to the 1890 House Museum.  Small world!

Kim

Don’t know your age, but while in college, I bounced and bartended at The North 40 out along the lake headed away from Ithaca. Would always see school IDs back then from the colleges and universities in the area and SUNY Cortland and Binghamton were two of the most frequent we’d see in the mid 80s.  After Ithaca College, Cornell University and Thompkins Community College of course. 
 

The bar, for any that knew it, was owned by the guy that invented the lighted dance floor made famous by John Travolta. The original was in that bar. There’s some Ithaca history for you. 

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17 minutes ago, WWKimba said:

I grew up just down the road from the SUNY Cortland sports fields - played many a pick-up football and baseball games there as well as bar league softball games.  My Mom owned college housing right next to the 1890 House Museum.  Small world!

Kim

I've been to the Cortland fly line store a few times while out there for work.   We have offices in Cortland. 

Went thru Cuyler last week and saw a beautiful bald eagle and could see its nest along the Tioughanoga.  

"it's pointless for humans to paint scenes of nature when they can go outside and stand in it"- Ron Swanson

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4 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

I've been to the Cortland fly line store a few times while out there for work.   We have offices in Cortland. 

Went thru Cuyler last week and saw a beautiful bald eagle and could see its nest along the Tioughanoga.  

I bought some of my early tying material at the store when it was on Rt. 281.  And the former store manager and I have something in common - we each got our kidney transplants from the same doner!  My roots run deep in CNY.  My Dad built our house when I was 4 months old just over the knoll from Gutchess Lumber.  My parents lived in Homer and first met when they were 3 years old and the house my Aunt just sold was where my Greatgrandparents, Grandparents, and Aunt all lived in (97 years total!).  My Grandfather put on clambakes in CNY from 1935 to 1981.  Like I said - deep roots!

Kim

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