Welp , just found out we are losing our lease .

[Rob-c]

So this is our 3rd lease that after being on it for 3 years the owner has decided to sell . So much for number 3 being lucky . I really had the deer figured out and was looking forward to next year . I do have a ton of state land near me , so i think im going to give that go from here on out .  

Edited December 18, 2023 by Rob-c

[Bionic]

Sorry to hear, I remember hearing about your lease when we met up.  

[Robhuntandfish]

That sucks.  I always fear that.  We've had ours 10 years next year.  And have done so much work out there esp the last 3 years.   It's getting better every year.  But all it takes is the landowner to sell or the daughter has a BF that hunts etc and it can be lost.  We consider ourselves very lucky.   

Sorry to hear, hope another door opens for you.  

[Spaceman Spiff]

Terrible news. Hope you guys figure some new ground out this spring/summer. 

[Ncountry]

That sucks. I was always lucky I. Having a neighbor with 300+ acres I could hunt. All of wich was within a mile of my house.  When he sold the farm, I lost it all and had to really change up my hunting tactics. I no longer had the nice easy farm land hunting. 

I guess the benifits are that I do enjoy the bigger woods of the local public lands. I mainly miss it when I have that  hour or 2  in the afternoon for a quick hunt.

[Rob-c]

1 hour ago, Ncountry said:

That sucks. I was always lucky I. Having a neighbor with 300+ acres I could hunt. All of wich was within a mile of my house.  When he sold the farm, I lost it all and had to really change up my hunting tactics. I no longer had the nice easy farm land hunting. 

I guess the benifits are that I do enjoy the bigger woods of the local public lands. I mainly miss it when I have that  hour or 2  in the afternoon for a quick hunt.

Well when i say we have a ton , several of these  are 15 minutes from my house . I work 4 tens so i never have a couple hours to hunt during the week but  have Mondays to get out .
Wife and i talked and we  are going to get out and hike / scout the 3 i have in red . We wont have the convenience of ladder stands , but looking forward to nocking the dust of the climbers . 

 

[ATbuckhunter]

This is why Id rather buy 10 acres of land than lease 100. That way no one can tell you if you can or cant hunt. I have 11 acres that my grandparents own, but hunt public land 90% of the time now. 

[Nomad]

4 minutes ago, ATbuckhunter said:

This is why Id rather buy 10 acres of land than lease 100. T

Bingo ! 
And your land appreciates in value from day one !

[Robhuntandfish]

35 minutes ago, ATbuckhunter said:

This is why Id rather buy 10 acres of land than lease 100. That way no one can tell you if you can or cant hunt. I have 11 acres that my grandparents own, but hunt public land 90% of the time now. 

 

26 minutes ago, Nomad said:

Bingo ! 
And your land appreciates in value from day one !

Both have their pros and cons.  I lease from a buddy and I pay less than one payment a month if I were to try and buy the same amount of land that I'd be paying on for 30 years.   And no taxes.  Being able to buy land just for hunting isn't feasible for most.  

[Ncountry]

2 hours ago, Rob-c said:

Well when i say we have a ton , several of these  are 15 minutes from my house . I work 4 tens so i never have a couple hours to hunt during the week but  have Mondays to get out .
Wife and i talked and we  are going to get out and hike / scout the 3 i have in red . We wont have the convenience of ladder stands , but looking forward to nocking the dust of the climbers . 

 

I gotta say, I have never been in that area of NY. I checked them out on ONX and there is some serious hills there. It looks like a little leg work and getting some permission to cross a short piece of private property  would give a guy some easy access  from the rd.  There are quite a few areas that many wouldn't access because of the difficulty.. Something to try maybe?

[Fab]

Just to add some perspective

we bought  9 acres with a mobile home in 83. We Bought 10 more in 99 then 30 more in 2015.   The hunting sucks.   We usually hunt a private piece 7 miles away (that will be sold this June ,dad had access to since 61. ).   Our taxes are high the use cost ins utilities etc are a lot.  the property no where close appreciated at the rate of inflation let alone the invest market.  

Pops paid 31300 cash in 83  
 

Today maybe we can get 110 for the orginal 9
 

maybe another 110 for the remaining 40   On the 40   We have 88 out of pocket plus taxes 
 

I think we will be lucky to get our of it what we put in over the last 40 years.   So the total out of pocket in the end won’t have made anything will prob have been a loss 

 

I argue with pop that the camp really cost us millions had we invested in apple or the market   Guess u can’t figure it that way as we never had it so just opportunity cost     

BUT We have a ton of memories and my dad loved it Beyond words  

For me today economically leasing is the way to go yet I did love having a camp   

Dad is 84 just hanging on and moms 80.  we will consider selling in prob the next 3 to 5 years and I’m ok with that     It’s way to much work effort time expense vs reward and usage today 
 

now this isn’t every area and not every story but it’s how we worked out   
 

 

[blackbeltbill]

11 hours ago, Ncountry said:

That sucks. I was always lucky I. Having a neighbor with 300+ acres I could hunt. All of wich was within a mile of my house.  When he sold the farm, I lost it all and had to really change up my hunting tactics. I no longer had the nice easy farm land hunting. 

I guess the benifits are that I do enjoy the bigger woods of the local public lands. I mainly miss it when I have that  hour or 2  in the afternoon for a quick hunt.

  Glad you made the transition from Farm Hunting to Public Hunting.  Definitely Benefits once you have done your research. 

[ATbuckhunter]

13 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

 

Both have their pros and cons.  I lease from a buddy and I pay less than one payment a month if I were to try and buy the same amount of land that I'd be paying on for 30 years.   And no taxes.  Being able to buy land just for hunting isn't feasible for most.  

For sure both have pro's and cons. You pay less, but you're also basically paying someone else's mortgage payments and taxes. Might have less responsibilities, but also none of the upsides of owning. For me it boils down to someone coming and and saying "you cant hunt here anymore" being at the top of the importance list. Why would I pay just for someone to buy the lease out from under me for more money or the landowner selling it. I never understood why people would put all that money of habitat improvement on land that isnt theirs. All you're doing is improving someone else's property with not much return for you.

I certainly understand that people may not be able to afford buying land, which is where public land comes into play. Id rather hunt public and save up for a piece of private. If I really couldnt afford to be buying hunting land after saving for a number of years, then I probably should be spending money on a lease either. I live in the 5 boroughs of NYC and drive minimum of an hour each way to get to decent hunting land, so trust me I understand. 

[Robhuntandfish]

10 minutes ago, ATbuckhunter said:

For sure both have pro's and cons. You pay less, but you're also basically paying someone else's mortgage payments and taxes. Might have less responsibilities, but also none of the upsides of owning. For me it boils down to someone coming and and saying "you cant hunt here anymore" being at the top of the importance list. Why would I pay just for someone to buy the lease out from under me for more money or the landowner selling it. I never understood why people would put all that money of habitat improvement on land that isnt theirs. All you're doing is improving someone else's property with not much return for you.

I certainly understand that people may not be able to afford buying land, which is where public land comes into play. Id rather hunt public and save up for a piece of private. If I really couldnt afford to be buying hunting land after saving for a number of years, then I probably should be spending money on a lease either. I live in the 5 boroughs of NYC and drive minimum of an hour each way to get to decent hunting land, so trust me I understand. 

definitely agree.  I am very lucky to have our circumstances.  Its a good friend of mine and we pay hardly anything.  But we do a lot of work that also covers that we dont pay a lot and he trusts us.  Hes turned down a lot more money from others, but knows im there to help out.   Like this weekend the drain needed to be cleaned out and i went right over in waders to help as he would prob have a flooded yard otherwise.  We are very lucky for sure. 

[Otto]

7 hours ago, Fab said:

 

BUT We have a ton of memories and my dad loved it Beyond words  

 

There's your real estate appreciation in a nutshell!