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just watched you tube video from deer drone recovery  The business got a letter from NY DEC advising him use of drone to recover dead  in NY is illegal . kind of interesting short video of him actually speaking with DEC lawyer  

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13 minutes ago, Cabin Fever said:

I’ll have to look that video up. I’d like to see it myself. I wondering what their reasoning is?

Drones are defined and regulated as aircraft by the FAA and aircraft may not be used to aid deer or bear hunters. That is the reasoning for them being illegal in NY

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Where is there a gap is "hunting" versus "recovery". If your buddy helps you track a deer does he need a license or tag?

Id bet the Deersearch is at the heart of this notification/argument...and something did not seem right about the gent on the call being legal counsel for NYSDEC.

 

 

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well if the "recovery" of a dead deer is considered "hunting" wouldn't it then make it illegal to recover a deer at night or if u shot it on last day of season and found it the next day. As you cant hunt at night or when season is closed?   I get the drone could be abused and used to take deer in manner that would be obviously unfair chase and illegal, but to use it to recover a dead deer sounds to me as you are making every effort to recover said deer

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9 minutes ago, Land1 said:

well if the "recovery" of a dead deer is considered "hunting" wouldn't it then make it illegal to recover a deer at night or if u shot it on last day of season and found it the next day. As you cant hunt at night or when season is closed?   I get the drone could be abused and used to take deer in manner that would be obviously unfair chase and illegal, but to use it to recover a dead deer sounds to me as you are making every effort to recover said deer

I think the main issue is harassing deer that have not been shot.  

Images show a deer, drone operator goes a little closer and realizes it's not the deer they are looking for, but the deer spooks.  According to the law, that deer has been harassed. 

I do get your point about looking for a deer a night, but I'm not hunting as long as I don't have a loaded weapon.  I've been checked by DEC several times over the years coming out of the woods well after legal ends. Sometimes it's because I've got deer moving through and I don't want to bust them, or it's a long walk out. As long as my rifle wasn't loaded or had a arrow knocked, I wasn't concerned hunting.  

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4 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

The problem with legalizing drone recovery is you immediately get every scum bag breaking the law and using them to scout deer and the DEC knows it.

IMO, "every scum bag" (your words) doesn't care what the laws are and will already use them to scout deer.  They will just say they are using it for something else, like bird watching or night wildlife photography.

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14 hours ago, boo711 said:

Drones are defined and regulated as aircraft by the FAA and aircraft may not be used to aid deer or bear hunters. That is the reasoning for them being illegal in NY

Agree; and there is another interesting point in the video.  The scenario is that you wounded a deer and could not find it.  You "believe" it is dead and this is a carcass recovery; but you do not know it is dead.   Therefore it is hunting/tracking/pursuing a wounded animal which falls under the definition of "hunting".  In the eyes of the law, to be a carcass recovery, you need to know it is dead, which means you've already found it and made that determination.

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agreed people that are going to violate laws or do wrong due it regardless and are more then likely already doing it.   I get that ur not hunting when recovering a deer at night but neither are you when looking with a drone for recovery but it seems like for a drone DEC says using the drone to find a deer falls into the hunting definition . I dont have a dog in the fight just seems if this tech helps recover an animal and assists in not wasting game its a good thing. Also like using a dog they could come up with licensing system , yeah I NY would try to make $, but it may assist in enforcing it and ticket abusers of the legal use of drones 

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Often deersearch are tracking live deer that require a follow up shot. I believe trackers can continue a track after legal shooting with a firearm and discharge after hours. @Outdoorstom or @ATbuckhunter may be able to tell us better. 
And that tracking will disrupt regular deer movement of other game (harassment) as much if not more than a drone-only difference there is not footage of that disruption. Is typical tracking considered harassment?

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28 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:

IMO, "every scum bag" (your words) doesn't care what the laws are and will already use them to scout deer.  They will just say they are using it for something else, like bird watching or night wildlife photography.

For the record ,I'm perfectly fine with people using them to harvest the deer they shot. 

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2 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

For the record ,I'm perfectly fine with people using them to harvest the deer they shot. 

Devil's advocate...if I have a drone available I'm gonna throw a risky shot at a slammer then sick the drone on it until it is "recovered" 
Drone operators need to show some ethics about their willingness to take a recovery job based on hunter info and sign.

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