What is reason behind asking for 1 buck rule in nys

[G-man]

Keep seeing mny social media posts asking for 1 buck only!

Ny has about 550 k thousand deer licences sold . The 2023-24 estimated deer harvest included an estimated 112,224 antlered bucks (i.e., adult males) and an estimated 97,557 antlerless deer (i.e., adult females and fawns of either sex.) 

There are way less than  1 buck per hunter shot  now.  About 20% .  I cant find  number of hunters that take   2 buck   but  has to  be fairly low as   even  20 k would be 40k  buck out of 120 k. or about 33%  of total take.  That means  there are a lot of  unsuccessful hunters..  

I don't see where 1 buck  would  let  anyone else get a buck  if your  not getting  one now  your  prolly  not gonna get one  if there are  more buck in the woods as  habitat and kind of hunting  pressure   in each area determine what will  survive.  

The saying 10% of hunters  get 90% of game  would seem to be true.. 

Imo if you want more  buck  eliminate hunting during the rut completely  would do  more for  population  than limiting  to one buck.

 

[2BuckBizCT]

I think the idea is that people would be more picky and not shoot a smaller buck knowing they only can shoot one.

[dbHunterNY]

you don't see it much at all out here in eastern ny or up north. there isn't the deer density that allows many hunters to take multiple bucks. I think those that do are hammering the youngest of them though. many not reported. out in western NY it's toted more because there's enough bucks per sq mile that losing a few won't be as noticeable.  out here the average take for WMU's are 4 or less per sq mile or a little over 600 acres. if three get nailed by hunters the impact is seen. that number typically includes a higher percentage of yearlings too.

[Ncountry]

I think it's what Biz says. I'm not a fan. I'd rather see antler restrictions on the 2nd tag, if we are trying to get older bucks. 

Everybody is different , but I  travel every year to a different part of the state and archery hunt. 

The 2 tag system let's me treat the trip as if it was an out of state hunt. Then when I return home I'm back in rifle season and still have a buck tag if I was successful in the southern tier.

I'm usually waiting for a somewhat mature buck, so it's only every few years or so that I tag 2. Mature bucks are harder to come by at home.

[mowin]

I feel it's the ones that are not successful, thinking they will have a better chance if it was only a one buck system.  

[G-man]

Out of 11 buck taken this year  off my  place.  1 hunter got 2   1bow  n 1gun  hunted  less than an hour for each  (college student)  including  neighbors  there are 15 taken off about 800 acres .  Camera still shows  many  buck  still around   from yearling to  mature.   

All i can assume  is they are unsuccessful, don't  put  time  in, or  just hunt  in bad areas  with few deer..  assuming  they expect there to be more buck if they are not there and another is that buck  will still be shot  in high hubter density areas..  

Personally getting a  nice buck is  about the time you put  into hunting  during the week   not crowded weekends  ..  would  be interesting to see  when  the larger bucks are truly harvested by day. 

[Will C]

I believe that a number of people think it would make hunters be more selective, but I think the majority advocating for this are the ones who don’t get bucks.  I don’t hunt as hard as some on NYWAW, but I think I had 60-70 hours in the stand to harvest the 2 bucks I shot this year. 

[Trial153]

I must associate with better hunters. I know guys that kill two bucks year after year in NY.   I Honestly i don’t see how you couldn’t with minimal effort. 

With NY having High hunter PSM density and much hunting taking place on small acreage, one buck rule would be collectively better for the herd. force hunters to be more selective and drive and increases in much needed doe harvest 

[escpen]

3 minutes ago, Will C said:

I believe that a number of people think it would make hunters be more selective, but I think the majority advocating for this are the ones who don’t get bucks.

I tend to agree with this; I suspect those advocating for it believe it would make hunters more selective, letting more younger bucks through to the next age class.  In addition, it may make them think about shooting a doe or two instead of a "meat buck".  

[Belo]

While very few do actually punch 2 tags, there are many that do. The general idea in its simplest form is that the less bucks killed by some, means more bucks available for others and potentially better age classes.

I don't necessarily subscribe to better age class as I generally believe the bigger bucks aren't going to get killed by the guys who struggle to shoot a mature buck regardless. There being more of them doesn't make joe blow a better hunter, those bucks generally get smarter and more nocturnal. 

I don't have strong opinions on one buck or AR as I see them as imperfect rules that may affect some parts of the state's freezers and new or casual hunters. 

Generally though I wish more guys would lay off the yearling bucks. It's not a matter of right or wrong, just sorta hate to see the basket 6's and and yearling bucks on social media by guys who have plenty of opportunity to shoot doe or even already have another buck in the freezer. 

/obligatory to each their own, just Belo's opinion

[dbHunterNY]

41 minutes ago, Belo said:

....I don't have strong opinions on one buck or AR as I see them as imperfect rules that may affect some parts of the state's freezers and new or casual hunters. 

Generally though I wish more guys would lay off the yearling bucks. It's not a matter of right or wrong, just sorta hate to see the basket 6's and and yearling bucks on social media by guys who have plenty of opportunity to shoot doe or even already have another buck in the freezer....

no management tool will ever be perfect but many of the imperfections are plagued due to lack of public education for what the tool can and cannot accomplish or the intention. with any restriction you can always have exemptions for youth, new adult hunters, elderly hunters, or those with permanent disabilities. without education and public acceptance the most perfect state game agency management plan will fall on its face.

I do wish people would stop shaming someone for shooting say a spike yearling only to turn around and shoot a yearling with more points. they've got an ignorant superiority complex. all yearlings don't need to live and I completely encourage some to take them and get deer under their belt or break a dry spell lasting more than a few years. However, call me the bad guy, but i do think it's wrong to tell everyone shoot whatever makes you happy in an area with larger percentages of yearling bucks are getting wiped out. idc what your reasons are. we all can think of some to justify a trigger pull. it's a basic biological need for the deer herd and conservation to have a sufficient number of yearling bucks or even young bucks live through the breeding season. i'm a dad there's always going to be a time where i cut someone a break but i'll look a kid right in the face with no reservation if it's teaching them we should put conservation before our own "wants" and not take deer for granted. there's no guarantee we're here tomorrow so there's no point in believing we have a lifetime to see days of better deer herds.

 

[Belo]

well said db. I think what some of it boils down to for me is that no government should tell me what I can and can't harvest, and yet at the same time we have the north american model and the public owns the game, not the landowner so I flip flop all over with what I'd like. 

[mowin]

I never pulled the trigger this yr. Could have taken multiple bucks.  

I guess a couple hunters in my area were finally able to tag a buck because of my generosity, lol. 

[dbHunterNY]

without private landowner acceptance big game management in north american would go to shit in a real hurry. the north american model for wildlife conservation is good but it doesn't really get into the nuts and bolts of how we understand conservation efforts. that includes the tools to do so.

[dbHunterNY]

20 minutes ago, mowin said:

I never pulled the trigger this yr. Could have taken multiple bucks.  

I guess a couple hunters in my area were finally able to tag a buck because of my generosity, lol. 

i can't say i didn't pull the trigger or release unless we're only talking about bucks. every year though it's expected that other hunters are going to benefit from my generosity. lol not pulling the trigger at all sounds terrible.